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Another response to Wikisposure by a pedo-celibate profilee

#1   Christiaan X 

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    I believe that committed same sex relationships can be in keeping with all the laws and the prophets. Laws traditionally held to oppose same-sex sex actually prohibit exploitation of males by males who are heterosexual by nature).

    I believe that Jesus lives in eternity as all his ages and is very glad to minister to us as the boy Joshua/Yeshua who we get a glimpse of in the bible in Luke 2: 41-52.

Posted 22 January 2010 - 07:09 PM

Some web browsing led me by chance to the Newgon wiki article on Dutch BL activist Roderik Muit ( http://newgon.com/wiki/Roderik_Muit ) which in turn led to Roderik's zingy personal response ( Open letter to Wikisposure ) to the Wikisposure exposé on him.

This Wikisposure piece as seen in mirrored page posted by Roderik, was mostly written by "Determined" (recently profiled in this site here ) and contained the usual distortions and catch-22's.

By catch-22's, I mean that Determined plays the same rhetorical game with Roderik Muit as homophobes used to play with lesbian and gay activists, that is, dismissing all attempts to improve social understanding of a despised sexual orientation as egotism, self-delusion, and obsession about sexuality.

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Muit is just as deluded as the rest of his fellow pedophiles, in that he thinks that the rest of the world should accept him as he is. And, like other pedophiles, he is very self-centered and arrogant, even to the point of imagining "reactions" that people will have to his pedophilia, then countering those imagined reactions on his website, including responses to imaginary reactions of other pedophiles patting him on the back. He also writes about how his attraction to boys shouldn't be a big deal, yet mentions it at every turn.


Roderik was clearly never involved in the lesbian and gay movement, because though his response is indignant, he doesn't share the natural shock one feels at seeing Determined, an open lesbian herself, using these old tactics from homophobic right-wing America against members of another sexual orientation. She has either forgotten or is somehow unaware that lesbians, her own people, were not considered a minority but were actually completely dismissed as despised sexual deviants, just like pedophiles, until about 1970, and only lost that stigma completely around 1990. Read her quote again with words substituted and, if you are over 35 and a news reader, you will recognize it as completely consistent with the homophobia of the Reagan era and preceding times:

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Muit is just as deluded as the rest of his fellow homosexuals, in that he thinks that the rest of the world should accept him as he is. And, like other homosexuals, he is very self-centered and arrogant, even to the point of imagining "reactions" that people will have to his deviant perverted nature, then countering those imagined reactions in his writings, including responses to imaginary reactions of other homosexuals patting him on the back. He also writes about how his attraction to his own sex shouldn't be a big deal, yet mentions it at every turn.


I have read that same rhetoric hundreds if not thousands of times. It is sad and pathetic to see it being brought out again - by a lesbian!!

If anyone ought to know better. Here she has benefited from the efforts of thousands of women who put themselves in Muit's position and subjected themselves to exactly that criticism, and instead of respecting their efforts, she is merely parasitizing the upward mobility that those activists bought for her with their blood, sweat and tears. And then using her status to do exactly what bigots would have done to her.

"Determined" should be thoroughly ashamed of herself.
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Posted 22 January 2010 - 07:59 PM

you should put all these in one easily accessible places. Maybe a separate area here or even submit them to newgon. They would probably take them as articles about PJ/wikisposure.
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    I believe that committed same sex relationships can be in keeping with all the laws and the prophets. Laws traditionally held to oppose same-sex sex actually prohibit exploitation of males by males who are heterosexual by nature).

    I believe that Jesus lives in eternity as all his ages and is very glad to minister to us as the boy Joshua/Yeshua who we get a glimpse of in the bible in Luke 2: 41-52.

Posted 24 January 2010 - 04:48 AM

That's a format suggestion (the first part) - if your ideas go so far as a title and/or a placement, then PM me or make a note in "General Discussion about the Church." In general we can carry on brainstorming there. Thanks, J.
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